PTT id gp380/340.

[jono66]

Hi everyone,
      iv been trying to set up ptt id with one gp380 and two gp340s after down loading Daves videos and pdf files on this site.
The 380 progammed ok but the first 340 would not write to device because decoder1 sequence1 is wrong
invalid referance! valid are (T1)(T2) eg123(T1).5(T2) checked all to the video still would`nt have it
i put 01(A1A2A3)
Codepluge version mismatch:
radio codeplug 6.x
cps    " "         4.x
please upgrade the cps codeplug with file export >upgrade codeplug to the radio codeplug version.
I read Daves pdf files on how to and tried this to find please concider to upgrade radio firmware with the appropriate "flashgrade" tool or use the correct codeplug for this radio is this a job for a pro? many thanks Jono.

[bw18]

Have a read through this thread...

http://forum.motorola-radio-support.co.uk/index.php/topic,1092.0.html

It sounds like your CPS is not up to date... CPS that is older than a radio's firmware version cannot be programmed, and visa versa. You will need to update your CPS to a newer version than the firmware. Have you read from the 340, or have you tried to drop a codeplug 'over the top' of the original codeplug?

BW

[jono66]

Hi BW the cps is the latest version R03.11.15, 12 09 2010 on my laptop the 380 says VER.NO R03.02.15
the 340s VER.NO R03.08.08 these numbers are on the back of the radios dose that tell you any thing

                     cheers Jono.

[emsgeorge]

usually with an older codeplug, you can read off the radio, alter the plug, and write back to it. It does work, it just wont clone over to other radios.

It will take more time (as you have to read off and alter, then dump back) each radio, but at least you wont have to faff around with the flash tools and flash adapter - its an easy way to turn your nice toys into bricks if you arent 100% sure with the kit.

 

[jono66]

Cheers for that bw and george like i said i want to prorgamme them to ptt id and one call
would it be expensive to flash them up to date so i could use my latest software to programme them alltogether ? i dont really want to get rid of them  thanks jono.

[bw18]

Hi Jono,

You could pop to your local Motorola dealer and ask them to flash them for you. Going rate is between £5-£15 per radio. It is a very simple process IF you have the correct kit, however, get it wrong and as George said your radios will be no more than a brick (with a £100 repair price tag from Motorola hanging off them).

Your CPS is the latest version so once your radios are flashed to the latest firmware you should be ready to rock n roll!

PTT I.D's are fairly straight forward. Me and a few others have written a couple of threads on how to do it. There are also videos in the subscriber section giving a really good detailed walk-through of how to do it.

BW

[jono66]

Hi BW, I`v had all four radios flashed by a motorola dealer like you suggested but one of the three 340s has come back with a fault, only when switched off a short tone sounds and the green led stays on for about five seconds then repeats until battery is removed.
It did`nt do this befor is it something i can fix or should i send it back to the dealer?

When the 340 is fixed i want to programme the 380 to call each of the three 340s all at once or separately with the ptt id of each 340 display on the 380, this is what i wanted to do with the radios befor they were flashed.
                  Can you help me to do this please, as i want to know how to programme these radios
                                        cheers jono.

[bw18]

Hi Jono,

First things first... Have you checked that CPS is now reading and writing to the radio's?

With regards to the faulty radio I would return it to the dealer and ask them to repair it. If you sent all of the radios fault free then I would not expect to get one back that is faulty! Are you saying it only happens when the radio gets switched off, or is it when you switch it on? If its when you power up it sounds like they have corrupted the codeplug (althought the LED should be red, not green). However, without seeing it with our own eyes it could be a variety of things. On the latest CPS there is an option to send a 5tone signal when the radio is powered down... However, I would only expect this to happen once not several times. Its does not sound like a low battery warning as that is a double low key beep and the LED flashes red, so im pretty sure it is not a battery issue- also it would not continue when the unit is powered down.

PTT I.D is very simple (when you know how). Firstly you are going to assign each radio a unique number. I would suggest:

GP380- 101
GP340- 102
GP340- 103
GP340- 104

You are then going to use a small string of numbers to create the 5tone sequence, lets say 555. As the GP380 is going to act as the master radio you need to set up the radio so that it displays the I.D number on the screen. To do this you need to set up a decoder definition from the drop down tree. You need to enter 555(A1A2A3) exactly like that. On the next tab (decoder options 1) the drop down should be set to general. You then need to go to personality 1 and go to the S5 Decode tab and click the first box (1). This has now set the GP380 to display the ID.

Now, to set the GP340's to send their I.D's. You need to create a encoder sequence. Each radio will have 555 at the start of the sequence and then the three unique numbers for each radio after. So for GP340 #1 the sequence you will enter will be 555102. GP340 #2 will be 555103 and finally GP340 #3 will be 555104. You then need to assign that encoder sequence to and encoder telegram. Open the encoder sequence tree and drop the menu down to select 1 (this will probably happen by default).

Next... You need to go to the Per Personality tab and select the PTT tab. Using the drop down you need to select one of the options... If you want the I.D everytime someone keys up then select 'Every Time', if you want it every so often select 'periodic'. The drop down menu's below will then become active. They should by default say 'Telegram' and '1'. This is fine so leave that alone.

If you want to be able to hear the tone when the PTT is pressed (this can be helpful as users can hear when the tone has finished and know its ok to talk) you need to go back to Per Personality and select the tab 'S5 Encode' and check the box at the bottom left saying 'Select 5 Sidetone'.

All of this means that the GP380 should now be displaying the I.D number for each radio when the PTT is pressed.

Have a go at this first as there is quite a lot to take in. When you have mastered the PTT I.D's I will explain how to send calls to radios!

Just one last thing... You need to make sure that all of your radios are using the same 'Signalling Defintions'... They probably are, but you need to check. At the bottom of the tree in the CPS there is a menu called 'Signalling System Definitions'. Open that and then open 'Select 5 Signalling Systems' then open 'Select 5 Signalling Systems 1'. I have my definitions set to 'ZVEI 1', however it does'nt really matter aslong as all of your radios are set to the same definition. The 'Group Tone' and the 'Repeat Tone' must also be the same on all radios. So in my programming all of my radios are set to ZVEI 1 and Group Tone- A and Repeat Tone E.

Let us know how you get on!

BW

[jono66]

Hi BW
       Many thanks for going through all this very kind of you, i still have`nt received the faulty gp340 back from main dealers yet he says he working on it.
I printed off your message and had a pop at the programme here goes 380 first a warning Auto Acknowledge 1 is not referenced by any decoder cant fix this.
On keyup of the 340 the 5tone can be heard on both 340 and 380, but gp340#1 sequence 555102 is not displayed on the 380 checked all still wont display cheers jono.

[jono66]

OK BW i`v got it was the select 5 signalling system definitions on the 380 not set to ZVEI 1
can these keyup tones be changed to some thing less annoying?
Call from radio 3 displays 103 on the gp380 and the the led stays orange untill answered yeah,
i think im ready for the next part of the programme how to send calls to radios
thanks BW.

[emsgeorge]

Ive always used 'eea' - compatible with a whole host of other vendors radios as well (we had mixed system with icom and motorola handsets on)

A lot faster than the tones you have been using.

[emsgeorge]

And as youve found out - make sure all the handsets are changed to eea (or whatever you are going to use), otherwise it wont decode.

[jono66]

Thanks for that George yes alot faster

[bw18]

Hi Jono,

'Auto Ack 1', as far as I am aware, always flags up unless you are actually using auto acks (auto acks are for confirming a radio has received an instruction- i.e. a Stun/Unstun command).

EEA tones are probably the way to go to be fair, I just had all of my GP's programmed to ZVEI 1... No problems either way!

To send a call to a radio you need to set a few things up...

On the GP380 you need to make sure the keypad is set-up to allow you to type in an address (102,103,104). To do this you need to go into the 'per radio' drop down on the tree, then select 'Miscellaneous'. From the menu that pops up select the 'Display and Keypad' tab. At the bottom of the tab you need to click the check box that says 'Keypad Enable' and from the drop down next to it select 'Address'. This has now activated the keypad to enter the address of the radio you want to call.

Next... You need to set up an encoder sequence and telegram. Open 'Encoder Defintions' on the tree and then open 'Encoder Sequences'. At the top of the box 'Select 5' should be in the drop down followed by the next box which should say '1'. In the long box you need to enter the following string exactly- 555(A1A2A3). Under that set the pre-time to 400- this allows a small amount of time for the radio to open the TX fully before sending the 5tone sequence.

Now you need to set up an encoder telegram for this sequence. This will be by default anyway but just check... Open the encoder telegram tree and make sure the top drop down box says '1'. Leave everything else in that box alone and close it.

Next we need to set the button you are going to use to send the call. Open 'Per Personality' from the tree select 'S5 Encode'. On 'Call 1' use the drop down and select 'Telegram' then in the final box in the row select '1' from the drop down. You can now close this box.

Finally we need to actually assign the button that you are going to press to send the call. Open the 'Per Menu' from the tree again and select 'Button Definition' at the very top. You can use any button to send the call. I would personally suggest the top side button. Drop down the menu which relates to this button and scroll down and select 'Call 1'.

Thats the GP380 set up to send a call... To actually send the call you type in the 3 digit address into the kepyad e.g. 102 followed by pressing the call button... Simple!

Finally... we need to set the GP340's to receive the call... This is very simple. All you are going to do is set-up a decoder definition for each of the 340's. So for each radio (remember each radio is unique 102,103,104) you need to open the 'Decoder Definitions' and enter 555XXX- the XXX is replaced with the radios unique number so it will be 555102, 555103, 555104. On the next tab along 'Decoder Options 1' you need to make sure the top drop down is set to 'general' and the drop down below should be set to 'individual' (you will need to check the box next to where it says 'Individual Call Alert'. You can then play around with LED's flashing etc by using the options underneath if you want to!

That's it...As you can see it's quite a lot of typing so there is a chance I have missed something! Also the text box is jumping up and down as I type which is making it very hard!  

Have a go and let us know how you get on!

BW.

[jono66]

Hi BW,
Manks thanks for all you help on this the faulty radio had to have a supply switching transistor replaced i have back now.
I have programmed the radios like you said to your instruction and carried out other programming from a video on youtube very complex and not all that in need emergency stun unstun call.
The 380 i want to be the master radio to look up in the contact list say one of the three 340s like 555102 press call1 and talk to my electrican but only he can hear me not the other two 340s on the same channel.If i go into contact list radio1 (340#1) press call1 button that radio sounds a string of beeps led goes orange and wont received unless the monitor/call cancel squelch is pressed and the other two 340s receive TX at the same time.
Do i need private call is this what i need to programme in to the GPs.
THis all new to me but i would like to get my head around it all one day i`v spent alot of money on the radios now and would not get it back if i was to sell them.

cheers jono.